re: DENNY LAINE:
>>>Denny Laine was scheduled to make his first-ever convention guest appearance in Trumbull, CT back in the mid-80’s and couldn’t get into the U.S. at the time, but his ex-wife, Jo-Jo, and his children Laine and Heidi attended. (Charles Rosenay)
>>> Did he REALLY name one of his kids Laine Laine?!?!? (kk)
>>>That is exactly what I was going to ask. I would have had my name legally changed to "I Hate You Dad Laine". (Kristy)
Denny Laine's children Heidi-Jo and Laine, whose mother was rock groupie Jo Jo Laine (born Joanne LaPatrie), both are known by Denny's birth surname, Hines.
-- BOB FRABLE
Dad's name is actually Brian Hines, so the child's name is Laine Hines, not Laine Laine. But that was funny.
re: THIS JUST IN:
I found three emails with this news flash in my mailbox this morning JUST prior to publishing this week's edition of The Sunday Comments ... and wanted to share the news regarding another sad loss with our readers.
Just found out about this Rock-n-Roll Death. I don't know if you reported it or not. In Memoriam: General Johnson « WCBS-FM 101.1
We also lost Barbara Billingsley of "Leave It To Beaver" -- not music-related, but certainly a part of our childhood.
Barbara Billingsley of 'Leave it to Beaver' fame dies - CNN.com
By the way, you shamed me into it. I felt guilty. LoL!
I just sent a copy of your newsletter to all the D J's I know on WCBS-FM and Wild Wayne. You win, Kent -- let me know if you hear from them.
Lol ... thanks, Frank ... that's EXACTLY what I was going for! (lol) Sad news about General Johnson and no, we had NOT reported it earlier. In fact, I was surprised to see three emails this morning about it right before we went to press ... so now we're the ones helping to let the rest of the oldies world know. Thanks for sending. (kk)
General Norman Johnson, songwriter, producer and lead singer of The Chairmen of the Board, has died at age 67.
The group is best known for the national hits “Give Me Just A Little More Time” and “Pay To The Piper” but they are greatly revered in the Carolina “Beach Music” community for songs like “Carolina Girls” and “Everything’s Tuesday”.
Norman Johnson was actually named General when he was born in Norfolk, Virginia — but didn’t use that first name until he later moved to New Orleans and fronted the group The Showmen. The group recorded a legendary anthem to rock & roll called “It Will Stand” and Johnson stayed with them until 1968 when he moved to Detroit. There, he hooked up with the songwriting / production team of Holland-Dozier-Holland. The trio were leaving Motown to form Invictus / Hot Wax Records and Johnson was signed with The Chairmen of the Board as one of their first acts.
As a songwriter, Johnson contributed to hits by The Honey Cone (“Stick Up”, “Want Ads”), Freda Payne (“Bring The Boys Home”) and Clarence Carter (“Patches”) which won a Grammy with co-writer Ronald Dunbar.
In recognition of the contributions that Johnson has made to American popular music, the Virginia General Assembly designated June 9, 2001 as General Johnson Day in Virginia.
-- Bob Shannon
Johnny Brooklyn had a phone interview with Maurice Williams on KPOO - FM and KPOO.com. Maurice is in Charlotte, NC, now and he has a new album out. It is quite good. Maurice is in fine voice and has a new group of Zodiacs. He talked about taking his group to Nashville because he knew John R of WLAC was there, connected up with Excello Records which gave good guidance because Maurice owns the rights to Little Darlin', Stay, and others. Maurice also talked about the passing of General Johnson. He had just heard about it. General Johnson also lived in Charlotte, and had great records with the Showmen, Chairmen of the Board, and under his own name.Check out KPOO.com, especially Sunday nights at 10, Monday nights at 8:30, Thursday afternoons at 3, all Pacific time. Charlie Miller, the Autumn King on KPOO
General Norman Johnson, leader of Carolina "beach music" favorites, the Showmen from 1961-1967 and then with the Chairmen of the Board, died in suburban Atlanta Wednesday (October 13) from complications of lung cancer at the age of 67.
Born in Norfolk, Virginia in 1943, he formed the Showmen (along with Milton "Smokes" Wells, Dorsey "Chops" Knight, Gene "Cheater" Knight and Leslie "Fat Boy" Felton) while still in high school there. Signed to Minit Records, they recorded the anthem "It Will Stand," which charted twice (#61 - 1962 and #80 - 1964 when re-released by Imperial Records). The song was a regional hit in many locales including a top ten record in Chicago. Likewise, the group's "39-21-46" failed to chart originally in 1963, but bubbled under at #101 when re-released four years later. General Johnson moved to Detoit in 1968 and teamed up with writer / producers Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier and Eddie Holland (who had left Motown to start Invictus Records). Starting a new group with Danny Woods -- who had sung in a later incarnation of the Showmen, Harrison Kennedy and Eddie Curtis, they called themselves the Chairmen of The Board. General also began a successful string of compositions, penning Clarence Carter's "Patches," "Bring The Boys Home" for Freda Payne and the Honey Cone hits "Want Ads," "Stick Up" and "One Monkey Don't Stop No Show."
The Chairmen of the Board started their chart life with their biggest hit, "Give Me Just A Little More Time" (#3 - 1970), written by Holland-Dozier-Holland and featuring General on lead. It was followed by eight more chart records, including his composition, "Pay To The Piper" (#13 - 1971). General Johnson tried a solo career in 1979 but re-formed the Chairmen on many occasions since. He was honored with a day in his honor by the state of Virginia in 2001.
-- Ron Smith / oldiesmusic.com
With all kinds of John Lennon Music all over the radio this past weekend ... and all sorts of new products hitting the shelves in stores ... all in honor of what would have been John's 70th Birthday on October 9th ... we sure didn't expect to hear THIS one!!! (kk)
Your mention of the Beatles vs. the Stones book and the quotes from the Lennon Playboy Interviews reminded me of this little gem.It's from The National Lampoon from the first album they did called Radio dinner.The first time I heard this I thought it was the funniest thing -- early 70's. I didn't know that the lyrics in the song are basically quotes from the Playboy interviews from 1970.It even seemed even more over the top after I read those interviews.Quality is a bit iffy on this since it's from a beaten up piece of vinyl.I suspect it isn't something you'd want to pass on to the readers without a large warning sticker, but I thought you might get a kick out of it.
Aww, Bill ... you know we'll feature just about ANYTHING here!!! lol But this one is REALLY bad!!! (kk)
This one was all over the news last week ...
FBI Halts Auction Of Lennon Document « WCBS-FM 101.1
And, with all the talk about what would have been John Lennon's 70th birthday, it was nice to see THIS piece again:
Paul McCartney On “Yesterday”: 1984 Interview « WCBS-FM 101.1
-- both submitted by Frank B
re: AND THE BEATLES' WHITE ALBUM:
I just read the 40th anniversary tribute to the White Album ("THE BEATLES").
The first time I heard it in its entirety was sometime around 1977 or 1978. I was only familiar with about half the tracks until then. I think the ballads -- "Julia", "I Will" -- are lovely but don't hold a candle to the older stuff like "Yesterday" or "Michelle."
THAT SAID: It's the tougher, more defiant / rebellious tunes that really make the album a Beatles classic, plus the fact that they were already considering going their separate ways -- which, of course, is reflected on every single side.
Certainly "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is not only one of the finest tracks but one of the best Beatles songs ever. I agree with you, Kent, that "Good Night" is probably one of the "throwaways". I think it was their way of saying goodbye to the fans -- I also think that by the time they recorded "Abbey Road", IMO even more uneven (with peaks such as Come Together and Because, and low points such as most of Side 2). they had given up on being official spokesmen for the youth of London, etc., and were just biding time.
"Glass Onion" always tickles me as a kind of parody of a lot of the Sgt. Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour stuff -- BUT I think MMT stands on its own merits, somewhere ahead of the White Album; "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" has some of their funniest lyrics, "Cry Baby Cry" has some of their most profound, and "Revolution #9", while not "A Day in the Life" by any stretch of the imagination, makes its point: get rid of professional sports, and you'd have your revolution -- people would be in the streets en masse, but the vast majority of them don't seem to care about Vietnam (the track, IMO, is more timely than ever, and it still "creeps me out" as one person remarked).
So all in all, the White is, I believe, the last stab at greatness by the Fab 4, and certainly a classic. (My faves are Revolver and Rubber Soul too, and I also think Sgt. Pepper is their most "relevant" LP, definitely my 3rd favorite. If "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" were the only track, it would be my favorite without question, even though I love them all.)
Thanks for your patience.
You'll find our 40th Anniversary White Album review here:
Click here: Forgotten Hits - Forgotten Hits Salutes The 40th Anniversary Of The Beatles' White Album
Along with track-by-track commentary by noted Beatles Historian Bruce Spizer. Honestly, I haven't found too many people over the years that have considered Side Two of "Abbey Road" one of The Beatles' low spots ... while each individual song on its own may not always cut the (Mean Mr.) Mustard, collectively it was once again a brand new and innovative way to present their music (and clean out their cluttered notebooks filled with song fragments that somehow still seem to fit together ... and quite nicely at that!)
Then again I'm not sure John Lennon himself would rank "Revolution Number Nine" up there with "A Day In The Life"!!! (lol)
For me, the White Album too often feels less like a Beatles album than each Fab working on their own. (The suggestion that each of them should have taken one side of the two disk set and record their own solo album probably would have satisfied everybody but Paul, who EASILY could have filled four sides with his own material all by himself ... this was clearly his most prolific period, 1967 - 1969, with SO many stand-out tracks and musical styles being explored.
All in all, I've got to rank "Abbey Road" as amongst my all-time favorites (although there really isn't ANY Beatles album that I have a hard time getting through.)
Thanks for your review ... I love the fact that different tracks rank as "stand outs" for different people, proving again the universal appeal of this music. (kk)
re: BEAT EXPO 2010:
Check out this link on the event:
Yes, we ran a promo for this the other day ... quite an impressive line up of guests to be sure! I talked to Charles Rosenay, the organizer of this event ... and he is very proud of the line-up for this show ... Tommy Roe, appearing (and possibly even performing!) after YEARS in retirement ... and Richard Langham, second engineer on The Beatles' first recording sessions, who has never done a show like this before. LOTS of other goodies, too, so check out the info at the link above. (kk)
re: LADA EDMUND, JR.:
>>>Recently on in your website, the name of Lada Edmund, the Hullabaloo Girl, was brought up. I think you will agree with me, but the word Jr. follows her name. Offhand, I think that is the only girl I can think of who has the name "junior" following her name.(Larry Neal / The Wax Museum)
>>>While I'm not personally familiar with Lada Edmund Jr.'s Hullabaloo Career, it sounds like she's done a WHOLE lot more than that over the years ... check out her website (where autographed pictures are also available!)
Click here: personal trainer, Lada St. Edmund Home
(I think you'll find the "About Lada" Page quite interesting!)
She seems to have QUITE the cult following, too! Meanwhile, you're right ... I can't think of another single female "Jr."!!! (kk)
Another female “Jr.” is soul singer R. B. Hudman, Jr., who recorded two singles for Bill Lowery’s 1-2-3 label and another for Atlantic. She’s shown with the “Jr.” only on the first 1-2-3 release.
Nope, don't know her either!!! Lada will be appearing at Charles Rosenay's Beat Expo 2010 (link above in the previous email) ... see below:
LADA EDMUND: 1st-Ever BEATexpo Convention Appearance!Famed 60's Hullabaloo TV "Caged Go-Go Dancer" and Recording Artist who sang on Murray The K's show at the Brooklyn Fox Theatre
Click here: Lada Edmund Jr.
Browse around here for a little while ... ALL kinds of cool, vintage '60's photos (and links to YouTube clips featuring Lada dancing on Hullabaloo and other programs, too. In fact, you'll even find a photo of her 1965 TV Guide Cover! And the album cover to a "Hullabaloo" soundtrack LP! Really some neat stuff ... here are just a few more:
re: THE BEACH BOYS:
So great to read the comments regarding Brian Wilson's touring band. Yes, they're tops. When I first hired the Beach Boys (May 24, 1963) they were pretty much all kids. Carl was 16, Dennis Wilson, 18, Alan and Brian were 20, and Mike was 22. There was an innocence in their vocals -- in additional to those great harmonies. I knew that touring would be a major part of their future success.
At the time, they were making $350 to $400 a night in Southern California, $500 to $750 on the road. They gave their audiences 100% -- and if Murry sensed they hadn't done their best, he'd let 'em know it. No, nothing physical, as some of the books would lead you to believe, but he'd give them a stern reprimand. "Those kids paid good money to see you and they deserve a great show," he would say.
Over the years -- after they'd become music icons -- and they had expanded the road band to include additional percussion, guitars, keyboards -- they remained one of the top touring attractions, even after the tragic death of Dennis on Dec 28, 1983. Shortly after younger brother Carl's premature passing on Feb 6, 1998, the remaining 'original' Beach Boys, as we all knew and loved them -- and for whatever reason or reasons -- went their separate ways.
All three configurations have maintained virtually all of the various touring band members. However, only Mike and Bruce Johnston continue to tour as The Beach Boys, and Mike is the only 'original' member on stage. All three original Beach Boys have great stage bands -- all three still play to audiences who not only appreciate the music but respect the legacy of the band.
When Brian decided to return to the road with his own band in the spring / summer of 1999, he put together a stunning band. Lead by musical director Jeffrey Foskett, with The Wondermints supplying the foundation of the rhythm section, and additional background vocals by Taylor Mills, I was blown away with the result.
I was honored when Brian and Jeffrey asked me to introduce them at the Tower Theater in Upper Darby, PA, in June of 1999, and I was honored to introduce them again when they played the historic Ryman Auditorium in November 2008,
Overall, they are the best touring band I've seen (with Paul Simon's band coming in a solid second). I think one of the key reasons is not only their superb musical abilities, but also the fact they have a deep respect for Brian -- and a passion for the great music that he -- and The Beach Boys -- have given us over the past 49 years.
IF -- and that's a HUGE 'if' -- all three original members re-unite for a 50th Anniversary tour in 2011 -- it will be interesting to see which touring band members emerge as the road band. Regardless of who gets the call, I'm very, very confident it will be one hell of a band.
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Even though I can't see 'em, keep posting those Risque covers will ya?
Just don't post the John and Yoko cover.
I dunno ... I'm never really been a very big cheesecake fan ... unless, of course, it's covered in Whipped Cream!!! (kk)
But I will never stop enjoying the My Sharona picture sleeve!The Great and Wonderful Malcolm
It IS quite titillating, isn't it??? (kk)
re: JOEY HEATHERTON:
I just read on your site that Joey Heatherton had at one time been married to former NFL player Lance Rentzel.
Lance Rentzel, if you didn't know already, went to high school here in OKC, Cassidy School, then later on to the University of Oklahoma where he played college ball.Again, you may or may not know, but in 1968, Lance Rentzel recorded a song calledLOOKIN' LIKE SOMETHIN' THAT AIN'T b/w BEYOND LOVE on Columbia Records.
The record itself did make the local top 40 radio survey. Don't know how high it got without checking.
Through the years, with a song title like LOOKIN' LIKE SOMETHIN' THAT AIN'T,to me that type of record was always number one with English teachers at the time. Tome, the all time favorite of English teachers has to be Buster Brown's follow-up to his1960 hit, FANNIE MAE, that title being IS YOU IS OR IS YOU AIN'T. I just love it.
Lance Rentzel never made the national charts with his record ... but Joey Heatherton scored at Top 25 Hit back in 1972 when she released "Gone", a song we featured EONS ago in Forgotten Hits. Here it is again ... let's see if THIS one rings a memory bell or two! (kk)
re: LON VAN EATON:
>>>I've been a huge Lon & Derrek Van Eaton fan since ... well, way before I joined "The Rip Chords"! Back in the 60's I was playing in a band that rehearsed in a barn in Bucks County, Pa. Our bass player, Richard Bush, (who went on to co-write "A Woman's Got The Power" for Clarence Clemmons), answered an ad for a used Acoustic Bass amp ... and lo and behold, it was being sold by the Van Eaton Brothers. We knew them from the band "Jacobs Creek" (I still own that album, on Columbia). Of course, we all bought the "Brother" album when it came out, and even saw them perform live with a full band opening up for David Bowie at The Tower Theater, and as a Trio at a cool folk club called The Main Point (now closed, unfortunately). I never got to know them personally, but did meet Derrek a few times, and he was always very cool. They were a true success story from my "neighborhood", so to speak. Glad to see they are being talked about again. Please say hello to Lon & Derrek for me ... they are amazing musicians,and influenced me very early on. (Mitch Schecter / The Rip Chords)
How Great! I remember him vaguely. Did I thank you for the article?
Glad to do it ... wild to think about how many memories we've helped to conjure up over the years!
And, FINAL NOTICE to get your entries in for the Lon Van Eaton / Autographed "Best Of Apple Records" CD ... we're going to pick a winner NEXT WEEK ... so, if you haven't entered yet, drop me an email at
Hi Kent -
Thanks so much for the piece on Lon Van Eaton. It has caused so much attention and noise, that it has become an article destined for the ages!!!We'll get those CDs out to you next week.
Thanks, David, always glad to help (and it's great to know that our piece got noticed!!!) Can't wait to hear the new CD ... we'll be picking our winner next week! (kk)
Thank you for featuring my home town heroes Lonnie & Derrek.
They are from Trenton, New Jersey, and I was so proud when I heard that Apple picked them up.
I have the Jacobs Creek recordings and their single when they were The Trees.
Once again, Thank You ... this was a nice surprise!
re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!:
re: GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!:
I can see John and Allen Klein in the courtroom battling it out over the Cameo-Parkway catalog. Neither John or Allen publishes anything other than the "norm" that was available decades ago. Same with Bunny Sigler, mono, when Stereo LP was available. He should know this!Look at Elvis, look at The Beatles and other artists ... stereo, alternate takes, karaoke, etc. But when it boils down to Philly, nothing from the norm. Like old school thinking!This was brought to my attention over ancient monophonic Spokesmen CD!
re: BARRY McGUIRE:
Thanks for the link to Barry's re-make of Eve Of Destruction to Still On The Eve Of Destruction. He is right ... It is HEAVY!
But it is also GREAT! What a statement about our current world.
It's a GREAT remake ... and more timely than ever!
While looking for Lada Edmund, Jr. stuff for the piece above, I happened across this neat little piece of photo nostalgia on her website ... an actual ticket to the Hullabaloo Television Performance, hosted by none other than Barry McGuire! (kk)
re: THE GRASS ROOTS:
Did your high school win?
While browsing around Reel Radio Repository the other night I found an old 1976 clip of Larry Lujack on WCFL after they had switched to their "World's Most Beautiful Music" format ... funniest part of it all was in between all the boring instrumentals, they still made an announcement that the radio station would STILL honor their contest regarding the Kiss Concert!!! (lol) TOOOOO funny!!! (Wonder what Grandma and Grandpa thought about THAT one if they happened to be tuned in listening ... 'cause I can't imagine ANYONE else in town listening to that dreck!!!) kk
re: ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK:
HI FORGOTTEN HITS -
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO READ FORGOTTEN HITS, BUT I HAVE ONE PROBLEM ...
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE MORE ON ENGELBERT HUMPERDINK?
YOU KNOW, I READ YOUR FORGOTTEN HITS ALL THE TIME AND I THINK I HAVE ONLY HEARD THE "KING OF ROMANCE", ENGELBERT HUMPERDINK, ONE TIME.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING? HE IS ONE GREAT, GREAT MAN. HE HAS A LOT GOING FOR HIM. HE HAS 2 CD'S AND A DVD OUT NOW.
YOU TALK ABOUT FORGOTTEN HITS ... WELL, HE HAS MANY, PLUS.
CHECK HIM OUT. HE DESERVES TO BE MORE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE USA.
I SURE HOPE WE SEE MORE AND HEAR MORE OF THIS WONDERFUL,
IF ANYONE AGREES WITH ME, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANYONE LIKE HIM. HE IS THE GREATEST BALLADEER.
I SIGN OFF BY SAYING I AM HIS SWEET LADY JANE --
Gee, Jane, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?!?!? (lol)
You're right ... we've probably only featured Engelbert a couple of times over the past twelve years ... and, despite having fourteen National Top 40 Hits, you RARELY hear his stuff on the radio anymore. (Quite honestly, his name HASN'T come up here a whole heck of a lot ... and I don't think that's just because it's so hard to spell!!! I'm guessing that most oldies music fans don't find him "oldies-friendly" ... which is probably why you don't hear a lot of his stuff on the radio anymore either.)
Speaking as not much of a Humperdinck fan ... although I will admit that my Mom LOVED him ... I can honestly say that not ALL of his music is dreck ... in fact, tracks like "After The Lovin'" and "Release Me" were legitimate Top Ten Hits and deserve a spin at least every once in a while.
And I still maintain that if a record was good enough to make The Top 20, then it ought to receive SOME airplay ... so, based on that criteria, you'd ALSO have to include "There Goes My Everything" (#20, 1967); "The Last Waltz" (close enough at #21, 1967); "Am I That Easy To Forget" (#18, 1968 ... and I know we featured THIS one not too long ago); "A Man Without Love" (#18, 1968) and "Winter World Of Love" (#13, 1970).
Quite honestly, your BEST bet in hearing Engelbert these days (other than maybe on a soft-rock, middle-of-the-road oldies station) is probably on Scott Shannon's True Oldies Channel. (Of course it would have to be as a "Cheezy-Easy-Listening Song Of The Day" ... but at least it'd get played!!!)
I've passed your letter on to Scott ... be listening next week because I've got a feeling he'll feature SOMETHING ... this one's just too good to pass up! (kk)
re: THE IDES OF MARCH:
More great Ides stuff today, Kent! I really got a kick out of the guy saying Jim "sounds like Howlin' Wolf" at 3:27 in the live recording."Aire of Good Feeling" certainly sounds a lot like some Chase tracks, doesn't it? Thanks for posting that one today.
Rock and Roll got "horny" back in the late '60's and early '70's ... and while groups like Blood, Sweat And Tears and Chicago were certainly at the forefront, leading the way, several other acts (Lighthouse immediately comes to mind) changed up their whole sound a bit, too, to keep up with the times. And this was certainly the case here in Chicago, too ... Chase and The Ides Of March and The Mob all had significant hits here during this era. But horns and rock and roll were nothing new here in Chi-Town ... the whole sound of The Buckinghams and The Mauds was built around this sound several years earlier. In fact, Bucks' producer James William Guercio took what he learned working with The Buckinghams and turned it into mega gold when he took over the reigns of Chicago! (kk)
While searching for some other stuff in my collection, I found a bunch of Ides things including a mediocre recording of the original "Vehicle" demo! Completely different recording, but it is as described. Some groovy different sounds in it besides the lyrical change, yet great! I am leaving town for the weekend, but next week, I will try to send along along with a funny Lujack comment on the Ides!
Jim is such a great guy ... who knows, maybe featuring some of these rarities on your website just might stoke him to get some of these in great quality out to the public! He could make a whole CD of just Ides, etc demos! BTW, I take exception to the comments about the first and third WB singles not being good. "Superman" is terrific in my opinion. What Lujack said is somewhat true, but I love the song! As for "One Woman Man", it's very much in the bag of what they were doing, as their previous great single "Nobody Loves Me" was similar, but both are just terrific and fine without the normal blaring brass. I told Jim when we talked that I thought both were great singles and he broke into "Nobody Loves me" right on the spot! What a mind, voice, talent!!!
re: HALLS OF FAME:
>>>And, I would be remiss if, on the subjects of Hall Of Fames, I didn't encourage you to hop on over to The Hit Parade Hall Of Fame (kk)
It's 'Halls of Fame' fer chrissakes!
I think some of you guys need to establish what 'Rock'n'Roll really is. The Beach Boys and their ilk don't qualify, Rock'n'Roll ended before they got going.
Okay, I'm happy for anyone to be nominated as 'hit paraders' or 'pop' artists, but Rock'n'Roll?
The Crickets ARE R'n'R; disco, soul, pop, and balladeers are not!
We stand corrected ... (note heading above!!!) But as for what is and isn't rock and roll, we STILL don't seem to be clear on THAT subject. (Of course The Rock And Roll Hall of Fame hasn't helped by shedding any new light or insight on this topic ... instead they just continue to muddy up the water as to what does and doesn't constitute rock and roll. As stated in our most recent piece, all we've EVER asked for is establishing some criteria or definition on this matter.) kk
How about a list of the different Halls of Fame ?
I'm sure you can think of a couple of more to add.
Kinda like awards shows, there sure are a whole buncha them!!! And you can pretty bank on somebody feeling that somebody was slighted in virtually every single one! (kk)
Rock 'n' roll is an extremely broad term, which is why everyone's opinion differs when it comes to 1: the first rock 'n' roll record, and 2: who should and should not get inducted into the Rock Hall.
I've said it a million times before but it bears repeating, especially since many of your readers may not have heard my stance on rock's history: rock 'n' roll has been evolving since the days of slavery. It's a continuum; a continuous evolution. Everything is built on what came before. Now, your readers could say, "But there was no rock 'n' roll in, say, the '20's" Ah, but there was - it was called the blues (i.e. country blues, hillbilly, and jazz) and spirituals. Just like rock in the 1950's was rhythm and blues (or white interpretations of black music), so it was in the '20's and '30's. That's not to say that EVERYTHING is rock 'n' roll. I don't, for example, consider Bing Crosby rock 'n' roll, or for that matter, Donna Summer. Like I said, it's an evolution. Buddy Holly & The Crickets sound nothing like Metallica, but they're both rock 'n' roll acts nonetheless.
Having said that, since the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame is obviously run by half-wits, which is why I personally don't care who gets in or who doesn't, perhaps it's an honor NOT to be inducted.
There are a number of artists who would agree with you ... the process has become SUCH a farce that it is no longer considered the honor it OUGHT to be to be inducted ... and that's just a downright shame. (kk)
First, I really enjoy your Blog. I've found a lot of info that I was not aware of.
However there is one thing that I have never been able to understand. And that is all the comments on the selections of Inductees into the Rock Hall.
There is no doubt that the selections are made for one major reason ... Money.
If the RRHF doesn't put in artists from different years, like the 70's and 80's, then attendance at the RRHF drops.
The Hall is a profit making organization, like everything else in the US. So, accuracy doesn't count. They just want more attendance, so they can make a larger profit.
Sorry for being so negative.
Except The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is a NON-PROFIT Organization (raking in HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars each year ... if not millions ... and, as we've heard numerous times recently, now trolling for additional donations above and beyond admission fees and special events).
Museum admissions, memberships and store purchases support our efforts to educate the world on the social significance of rock and roll. Please spend a moment and learning more about the world's only Museum devoted to the celebration and preservation of rock and roll music.
They ALSO claim to "give back" to the rock and roll community by way of donations to down-on-their-luck, poverty and/or health-stricken artists ... and in music education to help promote the rock stars of tomorrow ... but as Roger Friedman has pointed out numerous times in the past ...
(Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame President) Joel Peresman is paid just under $400,000 a year to organize this list (of nominees) for the Rock Hall Foundation. Also on the group’s 2009 federal tax filing: $25,000 spent on music scholarship, nothing listed for indigent or needy musicians, and between $10 mil-$13 mil in assets. Good job!-- Roger Friedman
So, to answer your question, no ... NOBODY is being fooled by any of this!!! (kk)
Another great FH entry today, Kent. The stories from Clark and Ken add so much to a fantastic web page. Thanks to all who contribute.Is the girl you took to see Neil downtown in 1970 a FH subscriber? She should be ... Speaking of Jeff and Ellie, here's a short comment from Jeff.
I wonder if she even REMEMBERS the Neil Diamond Concert!!! (lol) Nope, haven't talked to her since 1970. Thanks for the clip! (kk)
Dave Barry's Book Of Bad Songs is a must have or at least a must read for every rock and roller.
Yep, a whole lotta fun ... and it's still in print, too. You can check it out here:
Former WLS DeeJay Chuck Buell happened to catch our recent Neil Diamond piece that featured an old Psych Pscene underground newspaper clipping regarding Neil's appearance in Milwaukee ... and he was NONE to happy about what had been written about him. (Granted this was 39 years ago ... and it's doubtful Buell ever saw the article in the first place ... but he also had some SERIOUS doubts as to its accuracy. Now we can't really fact-check a 39-year old article ... especially one that was written by somebody else [who didn't even receive a byline!] ... but in our commitment to always present "the most accurate truth", I asked Chuck to share some of his thoughts with our readers:
Although it’s been so many years that have passed since, contrary to the comment in “Pysche Scene’s” report of my “absence” at Neil Diamond’s February 1971 Milwaukee concert because it “was too cold”, I just want to state that I have been known throughout my radio career to take pride in honoring ALL of my listener-impacted Personal Appearances.
And having been a huge fan of Neil Diamond at the time, I would have truly looked forward to meeting and “presenting him with a plaque” even if it were some "90 miles" away from Chicago.
Whether I was actually even booked to appear to do that or not back in 1971, admittedly, I do not recall. (False “appearance announcements” while rare were not unusual occurrences in those days ). However, a news publication with any merit at all would have attempted to get their facts straight before writing that the night was “mared” [sic] by “Buhle” [sic] who was “supossed” [sic] to be there. It’s also interesting to note that this unbylined article’s editorial notion seems to be that the fans at the show were in a state of angst, fear, nervousness, unease, apprehension, worry or whatever correct definition of “anxiety” that was “deepening” one wishes to use.
Overall, their Purple Haze “hippy-dippy” reporting accented by misspellings, misuse of words, and strange editorial comments does beg the infamous question, “What WERE they smoking?!”
Otherwise, I found this to be a very entertaining blog post.
Chuck brings up a couple of very interesting points. Most readers probably wouldn't even be aware of many of these "Live Appearances" rouses staged back in the day, designed to draw extra fans (and ticket-buying customers) out to an event under the false pretenses of somebody who may (or may not) also be there ... thus trying to often lend false credibility to their event. (We've even heard reports of "imposters" showing up at these events ... probably a case of shady promoters figuring "Hey, these guys are on the radio ... nobody knows what they look like anyway!")
Such was not the case here in Chicago (and especially at WLS) where the disc jockey's pictures were regularly (and prominently) displayed on the weekly surveys distributed at all the local record shops. Chuck Buell and Kris Eric Stevens were two of the "new wave" jocks hired by WLS in the late '60's / early '70's who kept the "youth movement" going as stations on the FM dial swayed more and more AM listeners away.
Perhaps the biggest surprise at all is that an underground music rag would even bother to COVER a Neil Diamond concert!!! Not exactly the "hippest" thing to do at the time (and certainly not the kind of artist that one would expect appeal to their general readership and/or target audience.)
While we can't undo any inaccuracies published 39 years ago, we CAN present Chuck's point of view ... and, hopefully, have done so here today. (kk)
By the way, today Chuck has a successful voice-over business ... you can check out his website here: Click here: Professional Male Voice Talent - Chuck Buell
And you'll also find some vintage airchecks on Reel Radio Repository:
Click here: Airchecks:Radio:REELRADIO Reel Top 40 Radio Repository
Hey Kent ...
You're using up all your Neil Diamond material.
You won't have anything left to talk about when he gets inducted into the R-n-R Hall of Fame . LoL !
Hey, IF (and when) he gets inducted, we'll open the flood gates to Neil's praises ... just TOO many good stories to tell and music to share! (In fact, we may have another "Diamond" or two hidden in the rough yet to come!) kk
re: THE MONKEES:
>>>The LP version would come out three months later, but the 45 version would remain rare and available only on the 45 scanned here until Rhino put it on a CD in the 80's!! Love it! (Clark Besch)
Good luck with that ... it's pretty rare. I think I've seen THREE of them in the past 45 years ... and NEVER with the picture sleeve Clark shared with us ... and back in the late '70's / early '80's I did ALL kinds of record shows and Monkees conventions! Just checked both eBay and Gemm.com ... nada! (kk)
>>>For some crazy reason, they never released "Girl" as a single. (That's the song that Davy sang on that famous episode of The Brady Bunch ... it's since gone on to become a cult / shing-a-ling classic!) It could have been a decent-sized hit if released in a timely fashion. (kk)
My error ... what I meant to say was that they never PUSHED the single to capitalize on Davy's appearance on The Brady Bunch. Good luck finding anything other than a promo copy of this one ... I don't think it ever reached "wide circulation" ... although I did own a "stock" copy once upon a time. (kk)
While I know that stock copies exist (I think I've seen exactly ONE in the past 39 years!) they're definitely hard to come by. (Once again I checked eBay and Gemm.com ... and found one Canadian pressing of the single, wrongly advertised as having been released in Canada only.) kk
>>>Davy Jones also had a minor pre-Monkees hit with a tune called "What Are We Going To Do?" (#93, 1965) kk
I got to see Davy Jones as part of a 60's Spectacular show in Schenectady, NY, back in March of this year (where he was performing with Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits and Rob Grill and the Grass Roots). I had a copy of my "David Jones" solo LP on Colpix with me (I believe it was released in the aftermath of "What Are We Going To Do" hitting the charts. Oddly, it has a stereo cover and stereo record labels but the album was pressed up using the mono stampers!) and from the third row of the orchestra pit, I held the album up and when he saw it, he shouted "Look at that!" and then asked to see it. He proceeded to hold it up to the audience, saying "I used to be a teen idol", which resulted in what sounded like about 200 girls screaming from further back the theater. Lots of camera flashes went off at that time as well, but I've never seen any pictures from that part of the concert, so if anyone out there has any, I'd love to get copies. The people I was at the show with didn't get any pictures from that moment either because they certainly had no idea I would hold the cover up or that Davy would even see it -- it all happened rather quickly. As for the concert itself, Davy put on a great show (and to tie in to recent FH comments, it was the best I'd seen ever Rob Grill perform, and Peter Noone, who headlined, was in top form as well).
That CHUM chart courtesy of Clark Besch was fun to look at! A few Canadian exclusive hits by groups such as Mandala, Quiet Jungle, and the Passing Fancy -- and, of course, "Half Past Midnight" by the Staccatos, later to become 5-Man Electrical Band and experience some success here in the States as well -- a great, great tune. So the Monkees recorded "Valleri" a year before it was released as a single. Any credibility to the "story" (if there is one, I may even be making it up!) that the weird "angelic voices" on the Beatles' "Revolution #9" were backwards-tape manipulating of "Because", which if I'm not mistaken was recorded in 1967 or 1968 and then scrapped for Magical Mystery Tour AND the White Album? (It's OK, Kent, we know you hate that track!!!)
"Valleri" had already been used on the TV show a couple of times before it was finally released as a single a full year later ... and even then, when it WAS finally released, it was a re-recorded version. By this time, Boyce and Hart had been dismissed as musical arrangers ... but were brought back (uncredited) to try and recreate the track for a 1968 single release. It's really a pretty fascinating story ... check it out here (Chapter 6):
Click here: Forgotten Hits - THE MUSIC OF TOMMY BOYCE AND BOBBY HART
As for "Because" by The Beatles, that track didn't turn up until the "Abbey Road" album ... and was heavily influenced by Yoko playing Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata" on the piano and a (most likely stoned) John Lennon then asking her to play it BACKWARDS!!! That's the melody he used for "Because" ... a fine bit of singing by The Fabs ... nine part harmony thanks to overdubbing. Have you ever heard the version with just the vocals ... it's breath-taking! (kk)
I loved the Monkees post. I guess that isn't news to you as you know I am a Monkees fan. Yes, there was a single that Kirshner put out with Davy called My Favorite Monkee Sings. I don't have it but I have seen it. I read that the reason he titled it that way was that, unlike the other three, Davy was always willing to go into the studio to sing anything for Kirshner. I am not surprised to read that he may have wanted to give Davy a chance for a solo career. Just an FYI.
As I was posting an old WCFL survey on Ebay the other day, I mused why it had taken all the way to 1971 for someone to release a single by Davy Jones. Now if it appeared that they were grooming Davy for a solo career, (and it would have made sense at the time), what took them so long? Certainly by the time it was down to a duo, Davy would have seen the writing on the wall. Then why didn't they follow up Rainy Jane? Sure it's not one of the top tunes of the day, but there were a lot worse. Moreover it was the heyday of the teen idol. Did someone miss the boat here, or did Davy piss someone off?
I believe there were enough people in high places determined to make Davy Jones a star no matter what ... clicking with The Monkees was just an unexpected bonus. We've heard reports over the years that Jones' part was the only one guaranteed up front ... but then also heard that this wasn't the case ... but Davy WAS under contract to Colpix and Screen Gems so who knows! (I believe Ron Dante told me once that HE auditioned for the part of Davy ... of course then the character's name wouldn't have been Davy ... but you know what I mean! lol) kk
And, speaking of Ron Dante ... check THIS out!!!
Loved your column on the Monkees.
Got to hang with Mickey and Peter last weekend at the Hollywoodshow.com at the celebrity get together.
I once auditioned for their show back then for Donnie Kirshner.
They are great guys.
All the best, my friend.
I loved reading this. THANKS!
But I'm most proud of the Monkees convention I co-produced in Teaneck, NJ, just after the Monkees reunited, because it was the only show in history with guests Davy, Micky, Peter, Boyce and Hart! Even I say "Wow!" when I think back on it.
Just wanted to share.
Would have LOVED to have been at that one, Charles!!! (kk)