re: The Love of Oldies Music ... and Bringing It Back to Chicagoland Radio:
kk,
Loved listening to the Beach Boys'
"That Why God Made the Radio" while reading the oldies discussion. Proof that
the sounds of the 60's are still relevant.
If the oldies are only listened to
by boomer oldies like me, then why are three and four generations standing,
dancing, clapping, singing at every Beach Boys concert? McCartney. The Stones.
Rascals.
Maybe we should dump "oldies" and
label our music: Great Songs, Great Singles, Great Sounds. For young people from
8 to 80.
Phil
Our FH Buddy Mason Ramsey (he of "RockAndRollHeaven.net") programs "Music For The Ages" ... with NO restrictions
whatsoever regarding when this music came out ... good music is good music ...
and it's not uncommon for him to dig out something from the '40's and play it
right alongside something from the charts today. The idea (much along the same
concept we've been touting for a while now) is that we all grew up listening to
this same music ... we were all exposed to these different genres at some point
and time in our lives ... so it ALL means something to us. Rewound Radio uses
the slogan "It's not how old it is ... it's how GOOD it is" ... unfortunately,
we've seen "oldies" become the LAST word you want to utter on the radio ...
which is why I give such high praise to Scott Shannon for incorporating the into
his station's namesake. He very well may be the last of a dying
breed!
Incredibly, WLS-FM has now gone outside for
programming help. For the first time ever, instead of an in-house programming
director, WLS pays a fee to a consulting firm specializing in the Classic Hits
format. As such, their playlist has expanded a little bit. All this despite
the fact that they have amongst their resources through Cumulus Broadcasting
Scott Shannon, a guy who has been recognized by Billboard Magazine as the
Programmer of the Year on multiple occasions. What a REAL shame it is that
these guys can't even see what's right in front of their faces!
(kk)
Though
not related to bringing the oldies back to WLS-FM, it’s disappointing to read
today that American Idol producer Per Blankens has stated that this season’s
show will feature less golden oldies and more current music that the
contestants, and presumably the younger audience, can relate to. I say too
bad for that.
Mike
Ogilvie
Mississauga, ON.
Honestly, on this one I have
to agree ... these kids (many of whom are 16 and 17 years old now auditioning
for shows like American Idol and The Voice) cannot relate to music that came out
some 40 years before they were born. And let's face it ... they don't stand
much of a chance of becoming new, contemporary artists by singing it because we
can't even find this music on many of the radio stations that are supposed to be
playing it!!! In order to compete today, you've got to sound hip and current.
American Idol is worried ... the big competition show now is The Voice ...
they've got this down to a science and the chemistry shown on that program
between the judges is something that Idol has NEVER been able to capture. I
stopped watching YEARS ago (although I hear Harry Connick, Jr. is quite good in
his new role.) For that matter I really enjoyed the first season of American
Idol with then brand-new judge Steven Tyler ... until he just clammed up midway
through the year ... but let's face it, it's a singing competition ... it's
SUPPOSED to be about the singers, not the judges and/or coaches. In that
respect, I think The Voice does a better job of bringing you both. It's called
"great chemistry".
Did you hear what Jimmy Fallon said
after the Idol premier last week?
American Idol kicked off its
thirteenth season tonight. Wow ... you know, it's really amazing ... because
they start out with THOUSANDS ... and then it's down to 20 ... then to 10 ...
and then to 5 ... and then, finally when it's ALL over, you've got just ONE
person left still watching.
Totally cracked me up!
(kk)
Hope the
momentum you started to bring "oldies" back to Chicago works.
I love your work!
Regards -
Geoff
I wish we had similar
stations in Dallas to what you propose (I know you used to travel here quite a
bit based on our older emails) ... BUT ...
The person who posted about the aging of the listeners is
dead on. We are no longer in the money demo and your idea, while good, is not
going to succeed. It's just about money, not the music. Life is like
that.
Rich
FH Reader Danny Guilfoyle sent us this blurb
about an online Internet versions of WCFL (or, at the very least, a SALUTE to
Super 'CFL)
“Fan of classic Chicago radio creates a cyber
’CFL.”
J.R. Russ “has spent a thousand hobby hours to create an
Internet version of WCFL (1000), the free-wheeling Chicago station that during
the 1960s and 1970s was the home of Larry Lujack, Jerry G. Bishop and Barney
Pip.” That’s the Chicago Sun-Times’ Dave Hoekstra, profiling “a labor of love”
by Russ. J.R. says that “rather than a tribute station, stuck in the ‘60s and
’70s, I call it a salute station, which captures the essence of the original,”
but plays some newer music. His traffic grew after Lujack’s death on December.
18. Read the Sun-Times story about the original WCFL where the jocks were “more
unleashed,” and the current J.R. Russ version of it here. Note that J.R.’s also got the “Chickenman” comedy series, created by
then-WCFL production genius Dick Orkin.
Kent -
Just read your
Monday cumulus posting and I completely agree with you. For the past year I no
longer listen to any AM or FM station in Chicago. Instead, I have 7000 songs on
my ipod which play songs at random. When in the car I only listen to Sirius XM
50's and/or 60's channels.
But I miss
hearing good radio voices talking directly to me such as Scott Shannon, but it
doesn't have to be original voices as frankly Fred Winston (who was one of the
funniest during his heyday) and John Landecker now sound tired (not sure if it
was due to station edicts or just being tired). In any event, your request to
contact Cumulus is a great one. However you failed to give info as to how best
to contact them. Please post instructions in order for us to best reach those
who can make a decision to do what you suggest.
Steve Davidson
Here they are again for the benefit of anyone who may not have written in yet:
CUMULUS BROADCASTING INC.
3280 Peachtree Road, NW Suite 2300
Atlanta, Georgia 30305
TEL. (404) 949-0700
FAX. (404) 949-0740
feder@robertfeder.com
chicagolandrm@gmail.com
scott@trueoldieschannel.com
3280 Peachtree Road, NW Suite 2300
Atlanta, Georgia 30305
TEL. (404) 949-0700
FAX. (404) 949-0740
feder@robertfeder.com
chicagolandrm@gmail.com
scott@trueoldieschannel.com
And please help us to spread the word through whatever social media networks you use ... let people know what we're trying to accomplish here! Our voice gets much louder when we all speak as one! (kk)
About Chicago and REO performing on
tour together - so why don't they have a date scheduled anywhere in CHICAGO?????
And regarding radio playlists, how come I hear Gerry Rafferty's song so often,
but never hear any Cat Stevens or John Denver???? (I know, John Denver?? Sorry,
but I loved his music, and I'm not afraid to admit it!)
They were so popular back in the
day, had numerous hits, and are kinda similar to Rafferty (and what else did HE
do?), yet no one ever plays them. What about the Beach Boys? Never even hear
THEM!! And why not feature some of the hits by Chicago artists, such as 'Hold
On' by the Mauds instead of Sam & Dave's, or something other than just the
Buckinghams (sorry Bucks), when we had practically a whole survey list of
artists from this town? And since Chicago had so many hits, when will they be
recognized in the HOF???? I know this has been talked about before, but come on,
what the heck does it take????? How many petitions?
Also Kent, if you go to cso.org there's a really nice biography of the band Chicago. (Under
Chicago returns home, I think it said).
Thanks, I feel better
now!
Marlene
I couldn't believe when I saw the tour schedule
and didn't see a Chicago stop on the list ... so two of our area's biggest bands
ever are FINALLY touring together ... and they're not even gonna play one for
the home crowd so that we can go and see them?!?! What's up with that?!?!?
(Personally, I think they're saving that announcement for later ... what better
place to cap off the tour than right here at home?)
While I've never been a John Denver fan there is
no denying his impact and popularity at the time. (It's kind of like when
K-Hits counted down The Top 40 Artists of the '70's and left The Carpenters off
the list ... there weren't too many artists bigger than they were ... they just
don't "test well enough" to fit the K-Hits format.)
And sadly, this is the way radio continues to
rewrite history ... like the comment elsewhere in today's page, they want you to
believe these artists only had one or two hits, despite the fact that sometimes
dozens of other legitimate hits are completely ignored. ("We've only got room
on our station for ONE Jimmy Buffet song ... so we're just going to play the
hell out of it ... besides, people would rather hear six more Steve Miller songs
today instead anyway!")
As for Gerry Rafferty, I used to LOVE "Baker
Street" ... couldn't get enough of it ... but I, too, now turn it off due to
overexposure. Too much of a good thing is no longer a good thing. For the
record, he, too, had several other hits ... "Right Down The Line" (actually, I
still hear that one quite a bit ... and I've yet to grow tired of it), "Home And
Dry", "Days Gone Down" and "Get It Right Next Time" all made The Top 40. Throw
in his hits with Stealers Wheel ("Stuck In The Middle With You" is another WAY
over-played oldie ... but "Star" is one of those GREAT Forgotten Hits that NEVER
gets played) and that's a pretty good assault on the pop charts.
Finally, I couldn't agree more ... a radio
station should recognize their city's legacy of local artists ... The Drive
probably does the best job of this in Chicago (now that Jeff James is off the
air over at Y103.9, they're about the ONLY ones who do!) Want to create a
station that FEELS like Chicago? Then play those great local hits by The Ides
Of March, The Cryan' Shames, The New Colony Six, The American Breed, etc., along
with the bigger national hits by Chicago and The Buckinghams and Styx.
(kk)
I found this quite by accident while researching
the latest Sonny Geraci Benefit Concert news ... FH Readers (and oldies music
fans) may wish to check it out:
>>>You switch from one station to another, only to find
that the exact same song is playing there, three words apart from what you just
turned off!!! How does a radio maintain ANY identity with THAT sort of
programming? There is no longer ANYTHING unique about any one of them to make
them stand out from the rest of the pack. (kk)
Kent -
Some good news! Just to let you
know that in the past couple of years CBS FM the oldies channel in NYC has
finally changed their oldies format. They have had to learn how to
compete with satellite radio by playing more of a variety of oldies. They are
now also limiting the advertising. I hope that the radio stations in Chicago
will get the memo and get on board. Also, I have Comcast cable tv with "Music
Choice" which started their oldies format about a year ago and play a variety
of music ranging from Solid Gold Oldies, Classic Hits, songs of the 70's, 80's,
90's, as well as Country and Western, Hip Hop, Jazz, current stuff, etc. It's
refreshing to see that there has been a change in music oldie coverage in the
local NYC area. They had to do something also to compete with satellite radio. I
pay the basic cable rates to get this music service. Getting Chicago to turn
their format around is analogous to turning an ocean liner around with a
wooden oar. One day at a time. I believe you are on the right track. There's
strength in numbers. It's important for a lot of baby boomers to speak up and
be heard. I sent an email to the email addresses at the Chicago radio stations
that were included in your text. Hope it helps. Try to be patient and keep the
faith.
Blossmwrld
It's like I said a couple weeks ago ... the
television networks have had to "up their game" in order to compete with cable
... radio is finding itself in the same boat when it comes to competition from
Satellite and Internet Radio, both of which right now blows them away when it
come to programming. The biggest difference is that the television networks
still have to conform to certain restrictions when it comes to things like
censorship ... as such, they can only give us so much ... radio, on the other
hand, has no such restrictions enforcing them to play the same two or three
hundred songs repeatedly on end ... they CHOOSE to do so because they're lazy
and they're blind to the MILLIONS of listeners they've lost who have found
something better elsewhere off the dial. Think about it ... people would rather
PAY to hear the music they want to hear than to endure the torture another day
of what terrestrial radio has to offer. How truly, truly sad.
(kk)
Radio was SUCH an exciting thing here in Chicago
in the years gone by. Columnist Rob Feder posted this link over the weekend,
showing a news segment that Bob Sirott (himself a former WLS great) put
together, spotlighting the "Chicago Radio Wars" of the early '80's ... when the
choices of good, solid entertainment made it difficult (if not almost
impossible) to tune in to all the good radio that was available to us then.
(Boy, have things changed!!! You truly cannot tell one station from another
these days as they all seem to be working from the same playbook ... subtitled
"boring"!!!!)
You can read all about it ... and watch some long
lost classic clips ... here:
Listen to these clips and you quickly realize
that what made these jocks the huge successes that they were was the fact that
they bucked the system and paved their own path, regardless of what the program
director felt they SHOULD have been doing. It was THIS type of adventurous
attitude that has always made the difference. Personality radio ... good music
... not the exact same crap that every other radio station and disc jockey in
town is doing. (Seriously ... do the people in charge of radio today have ANY
sort of clue as to what makes GOOD radio???)
kk
Sorry as I don’t get a chance to
read your board as often as many here but did catch today’s and Jim Shea hit it
on the head! (By the way, HI JIM !!!!!!!!!)
Until
someone comes along that won the lottery and buys a station and hires people
that KNOW the music and how to PROPERLY format the rock and roll from the 1950’s
through the 1970’s, it is not going to happen.
In
regards to Jim’s story with the Programmer – when I was doing afternoons on
Star 105.5 the consultant (yep back when they used them for programming) slammed
me a new one when I played COME MONDAY instead of MARGARITAVILLE by Jimmy
Buffett as I was up to HERE with hearing that song for the 56,456th time on that
station. He told me (and I quote) “By playing that song, I just LOST 200
listeners” As I kiddingly tell my kids, corporate radio wants you to believe
Jimmy Buffett only had ONE hit along with the likes of Aerosmith – Yardbirds,
etc etc etc.
As a
matter of fact I am working on a deal on possibly joining a well-established
internet station with a LPFM for doing some weekend fun – if something comes
from this you will be the first to know!
Jeff James
Jeff James
It was another declining year of revenues for Chicagoland radio
stations. Among the year’s biggest losers were the two Cumulus Media stations,
with news / talk WLS AM 890 dropping 12 percent to $13.0 million and classic
hits WLS FM 94.7 dropping 25 percent to $7.9 million. The company just doubled down on its investment in Chicago with the takeover of classic
rock WLUP FM 97.9 and modern rock WIQI FM 101.1.
--
Robert Feder
Whatever you're
doing ISN'T working!!!!! WE think we have a solution. (Seriously, at THIS
point, what have you got to lose?!?!?) kk
Kent --
The complete revenue figures for
Chicago radio are included in an article I read this morning.
WLS-FM ranks twenty-second in the
Chicago market with a large drop from the prior year.
Big trouble and management probably
doesn't want to take any risks, but now might be the right time to try it. Good
luck with your campaign.
Danny
Thanks, Danny ... SOMEBODY over there needs to
open their eyes and at least CONSIDER making a change. I mean seriously ...
could it really get any worse than it already is?!?!? (kk)
That revenue figure for WLS is
really bad. To put it into context, I was the GSM of seven Clear Channel
stations here in Rochester. The largest of the seven, WHAM-AM averaged about 7
million in revenue a year and the Rochester population is only 211,000.
Chicago's is around 2.7 million.
Danny
Cumulus ... let us help you recapture your share
of listenership here in Chicago. We have an audience of oldies fans primed for
the return of The True Oldies Channel! (kk)
We've had good response to our campaign ... and
many of you have picket up the baton and written in to sources who may be able
to help our cause. I've heard from a couple of people who have suggested that
with as many sinking radio stations out there as there are, we could probably
put together a committed group of investors and BUY a radio station and program
it the way we like ... and suppose that IS an option. But for me the key to
this whole thing working is that it HAS to be WLS-FM ... NOBODY else has that
kind of built-in name recognition ... NOBODY else will be taken as seriously as
WLS will be because of their unparalleled legacy. We need to make it happen
THERE.
On the plus side, Cumulus seems concerned an
committed to building a more solid base here in Chicago ... they've made enough
moves of late to indicate that they're in this for the long haul ... so again we
ask you to just CONSIDER what we're saying here ... folks have to spread the
word and get the message to the powers that be at Cumulus in order to make it
happen ... and then Cumulus has to do THEIR part and hire a sales force that
knows how to market to this "older" audience by not insulting them. Just like
radio doesn't like to use the word "oldies", listeners don't want to be reminded
of the fact that they're getting old!!! It makes sense, doesn't it??? We DO
spend our money on things other than adult diapers and assisted living! Cars,
travel (especially cruise ships), casinos, insurance, investments ... THESE are
the "hot buttons" that might make an older demographic respond. Cater to THOSE
needs and you just might have a hit radio station on your hands!
(kk)
re: Idiots!:
And for all these
so-called experts and consultants who insist that oldies music is dead, may I
suggest that you look no further than the two biggest movies of the year,
"American Hustle" and "The Wolf Of Wall Street", BOTH of which are chock-full of
music from our generation.
We saw "American
Hustle" yesterday and couldn't believe the amount of '60's and '70's music
featured, including KEY scenes spotlighting "Delilah" by Tom Jones, "How Can You
Mend A Broken Heart" by The Bee Gees and "Live And Let Die" by Paul McCartney
and Wings.
Other music
prominently featured in the film includes "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer, "Dirty
Work" by Steely Dan, "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" by Elton John, "Overture
10538" by Electric Light Orchestra (as well as a previously unreleased ELO
track called "Long Black Road" , which I've already downloaded for my permanent
collection), "A Horse With No Name" by America, "Does Anybody Really Know What
Time It Is" by Chicago, "I Saw The Light" by Todd Rundgren, "Papa Was A Rollin'
Stone" by Temptations, "Evil Ways" by Santana, "Jean Genie" by David Bowie as
well as dynamite cover versions of "Don't Leave Me This Way" and "White Rabbitt"
by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes and Mayssa Karaa respectively. In addition, we're also treated to an assortment of jazz
tracks by the likes of Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald, Oscar Peterson, Frank
Sinatra and Thelonious Monk.
Later that same
evening we re-watched "Silver Linings Playbook" (a film that actually employed
many of the same actors present in "American Hustle", including Bradley Cooper,
Jennifer Lawrence and Robert DeNiro ... enough, in fact, to make one wonder if
they couldn't have save a few bucks by filming both movies simultaneously!
lol) Check out the track list on THIS
award-winning film:
"My Cherie Amour"
and "Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing" (both by Stevie Wonder), "Misty" by Johnny
Mathis, "What Is And What Should Never Be" by Led Zeppelin, "Hey Big Brother" by
Rare Earth (when's the last time you heard THAT one on the radio ... a
legitimate Top 20 Hit from 1972), as well as a version of "Sway" (the old Bobby
Rydell / Dean Martin hit), Frank Sinatra's "Have Yourself A Merry Little
Christmas" and songs by Dave Brubeck and Les Paul and Mary Ford, along with a
VERY cool duet between Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash.
To cap off the
evening, we watched the Season Two Premier of "The Following", in which one of
the killers finds his victim's i-Pod, scrolls through the tracks it contains and
mutters "Oh ... '70's freak, eh? KILLER play list!!!" He then proceeds to
serenade and entertain his already dead victim by dancing to KC and the Sunshine
Band's "That's The Way I Like It" and romantically singing along with England
Dan and John Ford Coley on their hit "Nights Are Forever Without You". This
music ISN'T dead ... only his latest victim is!
The other big Oscar-nominated film right now is "The Wolf Of Wall
Street" (which we haven't seen yet ... but is reportedly three solid hours of
sex, drugs and roll and roll ... the "F-Bomb" is dropped a record-breaking 506
times in three hours!) includes music by Billy Joel ("Movin' Out"), Elvis
Presley ("Can't Help Falling In Love Love"), Sir Mix-A-Lot, The Jimmy Castor
Bunch ("Hey Leroy, Your Mama's Callin' You"), Cannonball Adderley ("Mercy,
Mercy, Mercy"), Romeo Void, The Foo Fighters and performances of "Goldfinger",
"Mrs. Robinson" and "Cast Your Fate To The Wind" as well as tracks by Howlin'
Wolf, Bo Diddley, John Lee Hooker, Elmore James and Eartha Kitt!
I'm also reminded of
recent Broadway Hits (and later film versions) spotlighting the hits of ABBA
("Mamma Mia") and The Four Seasons ("Jersey Boys") and cannot help but wonder
what planet these know-it-all experts are living on ... because it SURE isn't
the real world that the rest of us live in! For God's sake, take the blinders off ... and program the music
that listeners REALLY want to hear!!!
(kk)