JP
THE CHARTS:
How great was the music in the 60's? I'd say at least 30 of the songs on this week's survey from 1966 are stone cold classics. It was really really tough to get a Top-10 record in 1966.
Randy Monk
>>>I think the individual year end rankings of how a record performed that year are better suited as "at the time" reports as hindsight tends to distort some things. (kk)
I concur with ya, Kent … you need some type of mathematical formula to accurately rank songs across all decades, no matter what kind of chart you are researching, be it national, trade magazine, local surveys, etc.
The mid 1960s had so much change and activity, songs rarely lasted more than 10 weeks on the Hot 100. For example, how can anyone fairly compare a song that hit #1 but only stayed on the charts for 12 weeks with a song that spends 60 weeks on the chart in 1997? What??
While I enjoy the Whitburn and Company books (top props for the Comparison Charts book!), their vanilla ranking method used to rank year-end or top XXX songs is not an accurate methodology.
My own personal go-to official rankings would be the Kent Kotal and Randy Price charts as displayed here on Forgotten Hits - bring on some more!!!
Mike Markesich
Kent,
I tend to agree that all-time hits or year end charts are best IN THEIR own era. IF anyone would say that "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" has been #1 on many or most of the all-time hits charts thru the oldies radio era (today, there is no such radio genre on the dial, unless Me-TV FM counts), I'd have been surprised. Same with "Unchained Melody." I don't think that song in any way was as popular BEFORE the "Ghost" movie as after. In the summer / fall transition of 1968, WCFL produced their own "all time hits list." THIS is what top current all-timer songs would look like back in 1968, as compared to today -- especially in Chicago.
"Cherish" is #1. From 1966 to 1968, look at how much music changed and you still find THAT one song at #1. The Association still owned Chicago music fans with three songs in the top 11 and tack on two more in the top 100! The Beatles had seven (including the LP cut "Michelle"), but the Association were SOOO big in Chitown. Because of THAT sound, it is likely that it helped my faves, the Cryan' Shames, rank #9 with a year old somewhat Association sounding vocal harmony sound. The top 15 songs (leaving out the Shames song AND "Hey Joe" probably) could easily have been what ANY top 40 station would have had then. THESE are what should be there if looking at the late 60's all-timers chartings.
Of course, being a HUGE Chicago 60's fan, I'm so happy to see the Shames, American Breed, Shadows of Knight, Buckinghams, and New Colony Six all with a song in there. The Ides were lurking in the shadows a bit in '68.
On my PERSONAL (KLGR pretend radio) chart as a 12 year old, I also listed MY all-time chart, actually on my 50 year old August 16, 1968 chart. I've attached it to show how my faves were.
The Cryan' Shames claimed four of the top 6 songs. The list is 220 long, but in the top 110 attached, you find the Shames with seven overall, the American Breed (two songs), Buckinghams (three) and the Shadows of Knight (with one).
The top 103 were all #1 songs on weekly chart starting in 1963 when I was 7. The Beatles had 13 songs overall with the biggest, a BIG surprise at 31. The Monkees get seven. My THEN current #1 comes in at #80 -- I was UP TO DATE and did not need a CREW to figure out the chart by allowing a month chopped out before publishing. Haha.
IF I were to do a chart today, it would leave MANY out, but MOST would still be near the top 100 even in revisionist 2000's.
Clark Besch
Wow, I've never seen that WCFL Top 100 Chart before … where did you get that? (I immediately printed a copy for my own collection!) kk
I actually have two copies of it now. It is a yellow original but I had already had it scanned in B&W and ran across it searching my computer for something else and thought of sending it along. I actually have a sound clip or two of the countdown somewhere from probably October, 1968, I think, from memory. This would have been after Ken Draper left and a Lew Witz era thing, following the end of the weekly store surveys.
Clark
Anybody out there have the audio for the full countdown? I would love to hear this! (JR: Wouldn't THIS be a cool thing to run on your WCFLChicago.com website?!?!?) kk
I bought the first U.S. Hot 100 four cd set a few years ago. It was an
import through Acrobat / Trapeze music. It has all 100 songs of that
August of 1958 chart and they are the original recordings. It works
well for a countdown show and I don't even have to go digging 100 times for cds and records.
Phil Nee - WRCO
This And That:
>>>I won't be able to make it out to the Dick Biondi fund-raiser / film screening but please report back so that we can share your experience with our readers. (kk)
We started out with Pam Pulice and some of the people who are involved with the film explaining to the audience about the film and answering some questions. Special guest John Records Landecker came out and entertained the group for a while with stories about his friendship and professional involvement with Dick Biondi and then we showed the newly-edited 17-minute "teaser" film of "The Voice That Rocked America."
Afterwards, Scott Childers from Star 96.7 Joliet, came out and spoke for a while about his radio experiences and friendship with Dick.
Side note: I highly recommend Scott's book about the history of WLS. I learned that one of the big stars during the WLS "Prairie Farmer" era was George Gobel, who graduated from my high school (Roosevelt HS, Chicago) 30 years to the day before I did. ;-)
We had an audience of about 100, of all ages. We hope to get the movie on the air before the end of this year. It's gonna be a winner!
Mike Wolstein
P.S. Sorry for the poor quality of the first shot - the flash wouldn't light up the very dark stage. ;-(
Pam and Landecker
Me and Landecker
We can't wait to see the whole thing, Mike … please keep us posted! (kk)
Wow, I feel like a superstar! I really appreciate your posting all the stuff about the Biondi film and the Ides 45. Now all the guys I know throughout 60 years of record collecting and all the record shows will know that I'm still alive. ;-)
One more little tidbit, which you may already know about:
A VERY cool story that I knew absolutely nothing about ... to think that the inspiration for that great Philly Sound started right here in Chicago blows me away! (We still go to Walker Brothers for breakfast all the time now that they've opened up a location in Schaumburg!!!) kk
Talk about your Chicagoland memories … check this out from FH Reader Clark Besch …
Here's a blast from the past for Chicago record store buyers. Do you remember Lowe's records selling records with this type of hand written messages on the wall with a hand written slip inserted into each position of a 45 on the WLS Hit Parade??? How funny.
You can see a potential buyer scouting out what 45 he wants to buy from the May 27, 1968 WLS chart.
Upon closer examination, you can see that cards are apparently removed when the store is out of stock on a record.
Up close, you can slightly make out some of the titles and the writing on the cards. Kent could get his #25 People record and #26 "Brooklyn Roads," fave by Neil Diamond, but as often was the case when I wanted certain titles, I will not be buying "Tip Toe Thru the Tulips" (30) OR "She's a Heartbreaker" (31) or more importantly, "I Need Love" by the 3rd Booth (#34) and the new Buckinghams (#35) from Lowe's, but hey, I was going to ALL of the shops today anyway. I'll find it SOMEWHERE!!! Besides, I CAN get the new Cryan' Shames at 27 and Association at 28. I'll be outta money by the time I FIND the others. At least I taped them last night (June 5 to be exact -- listen to attached), so I have them forever WITH some nice Dodge City static. Summer listening was always a trial.
Of note, as well, is the fact that the list goes beyond the 40 songs on the WLS weekly printed chart! #41 is the Beach Boys' "Friends." I'm not sure that that record ever made WLS' Top 40. I don't see that it did. I wonder where the other lower ranked titles came from. IF we could only ask someone who would know -- LIKE the guy (pictured looking for his car in the Lowe's parking lot) on the WLS survey we are talking about! I think he might be our "Countdown Boy?"
Clark Besch
Very cool.
And just an FYI … According to Ron Smith's book, "Friends" by The Beach Boys DID chart on WLS … it peaked at #37. (kk)
Since you mentioned our buddy Chuck Buell, we've just GOT to share this with you ...
It's called "GoFundMe / Fundraising '60's Style: ...
Just thinkin' back to my Rapid City, SD, Summer of 1960.
Chuck Buell's 1960 GoFundMe Minute Melody is Attached!
Yep ... that's how WE used to do it!!! (kk)
And this story was all over the news last week …
What are the odds of finding this thing … 40-something years later, abandoned in a wooded area for decades???
And imagine having this rusted old pile of metal just sitting on your property for all this time!
And then what are the odds of somebody coming out of the blue and paying you $25,000 for it?!?!
Damn! (kk)
I reconnected with an old friend / former coworker / one-time fellow musician / and just all around good soul last week, who discovered Forgotten Hits (and my connection to it) and contacted me. We hadn't spoken to each other in a good 40 years … just lost touch with each other … but she's now a Forgotten Hits fan, too. (Eons ago, we each took our younger siblings to see The Jackson Five at the old Mill Run Theater In-The-Round in Niles … had to be around 1974 maybe? The place wasn't even half full … and this was a small theater!) Nobody cared anymore at the time about The Jacksons. I remember them bringing a very young (maybe five or six year old) Janet Jackson out on stage with them for a segment … and there truly was nothing at all memorable about the show.
Fast forward ten years and Michael Jackson is the biggest star on the planet (and one of the absolute biggest of all time!)
Anyway, we shared a few exchanges … and then I got this …
OMG!! When do you find the time to put this together? Too extensive to look at quickly. Was looking for the Young Rascals but haven't made it all the way through the different lists. Checked out Dusty Springfield - jeesh. So much info. Loving it.
Betty
I have found sleep to be greatly overrated!
Actually, if you type "RASCALS" into the website search engine ALL kinds of articles will pop up, including my review of their Reunion Show here in Chicago a few years ago.
We're hoping other readers will do the same … it is UNREAL how much ground we have covered. I can't tell you how many times I've done a Google Search when trying to research a particular topic … and Google brings me right back to my own page because it's something I wrote about eight years ago!!! Just no way to remember (or catalog!) it all!
Enjoy Forgotten Hits. It's our love of the music that keeps our thousands and thousands of readers around the world connected … and sometimes sharing those memories with other like souls is the perfect medicine for whatever ails you!
Oh yeah … here's a link to that Rascals review … but seriously, type in "Rascals" and you won't believe all the stuff that'll come up! (kk)
Nice try, Kent, but you can’t get rid of me simply by not notifying me that you are still there.
Shelley
Hey, I'm hoping not to lose anybody … quite the contrary … but everybody out there has to take some responsibility of keeping tabs on all that we've got going on … 'cause we don't plan on slowing down any time soon!
Simply make us part of your daily routine … or, if that's asking to much, then plan to catch up on the whole week's worth of postings when you read The Sunday Comments.
Our regular features won't change … we just hope to become a bit more "immediate" by posting some of this news when we get it rather than wait for it to tie into our next "regularly scheduled programming." But we may find that we change very little in the process … I don't know … hopefully, that uncertainty will keep Forgotten Hits new and exciting for ALL of us to enjoy!
Speaking of which …
I should point out that we will still maintain our Locals List, featuring upcoming concert information and any special ticket offers that may pass our way that we can share with our readers. (Watch for one next week, in fact, after we touch base with some of the local promoters we deal with on a regular basis.)
And concert reviews for these shows will continue to be part of our regular routine … so for all of you artists out there, we are happy to share your tour schedules with our readers, because we are read coast to coast and around the world (Whew! That was a real Casey Kasem moment!) … stay in touch with your fans and let them know what you've got going on. As I've said for many, many years now … Forgotten Hits is a GREAT source to let the oldies nation learn all of your latest news … so USE US!!! (kk)
THAT'S A WRAP! See you next time!